Armin and I started this podcast in the summer of 2021 and we are now over 82 episodes strong and growing. What started as relaxed Saturday morning coffee chats between the two of us have grown into the Art Ladders platform that covers our podcast, in-person workshops, and online mentoring and classes. The name Art Ladders represents growth and positive climb and we base our values on three topics: Connection, Community, and Commitment. We invite you to listen and also let us know what topics resonate with you.